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Lay Off the Lady
Saturday, August 1, 2009

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Some ideas never seem to die. Recently, the argument that Aung San Suu Kyi, the woman seen by many as the guiding light of Burma’s quest for democracy, is actually the country’s greatest impediment to progress has made its way back into print. This notion, which is propagated by a faction of self-styled Burma experts known as the “third force,” has repeatedly reared its head over the years. The Irrawaddy believes it is time to put this myth to rest.

The latest instance of this malicious meme appeared in the July 23 edition of The Economist, in an item titled “The Lady should be for turning.” The piece begins by noting the 20th anniversary of the day Suu Kyi was first placed under house arrest, and proceeds with a de rigeur acknowledgment of her two decades of courage and personal sacrifice (no doubt to avoid the sort of excoriation provoked by an article published in Britain’s Guardian newspaper in November 2008, originally titled “Not such such a hero after all,” which was later subject to numerous corrections and a public apology).

Once the formalities are out of the way, however, the writer, citing “a growing body of opinion,” poses the question of whether Suu Kyi is an “icon or obstacle.” More specifically, Suu Kyi’s position on sanctions is obliquely attacked as the cause of Burma’s economic misery, and by extension, its failure to achieve any meaningful progress towards democracy.

There are numerous objections that one could make to this assertion, which the writer does not attempt to support in any way, perhaps assuming the logic to be self-evident. However, we can identify a few fundamental flaws in the underlying argument that should suffice to set the record straight.

The first point that needs to be made is that Suu Kyi does not dictate the Burma policy of Western countries. Although the issue of sanctions is often linked to her fate, that does not mean she is the main impetus behind the policy. When US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently said that the US might be ready to invest in Burma if Suu Kyi was released, she did so at her own discretion, not in consultation with the detained democracy leader. Conversely, if Suu Kyi suddenly reversed her position on sanctions, there is no reason to believe that Western governments would automatically follow suit. To imply that she is somehow responsible for decisions made in foreign capitals is, therefore, grossly unfair.

It is also a distortion of the facts to suggest that sanctions are the cause of Burma’s endemic poverty. A total absence of accountable governance—not a lack of international aid or investment—is the real reason this resource-rich nation can barely support its own population. The junta has never had any difficulty in finding foreign partners willing to help it exploit Burma’s natural wealth. But most of the plunder from this wholesale theft of the country’s riches is deposited in overseas bank accounts or in bunkers in Naypyidaw; virtually none of it is plowed back into the local economy for the benefit of the country’s long-term development.

It is true, as The Economist notes, that official aid  to Burma falls far short of what the country needs. Again, this is because most international donors don’t trust the regime to use aid appropriately or cooperate fully with the agencies that dispense it, not because they feel obliged to support the country’s pro-democracy leader. Even if Suu Kyi were completely removed from the equation—as some junta apologists and exasperated pseudo-pragmatists have long argued she should be—it would not alter the fact that, even post-Nargis, the regime does more to obstruct aid than facilitate it.

The fact that the regime has tightened the screws on the opposition at the very moment that the world wants to increase its aid to Burma shows that the generals are only interested in using the suffering of ordinary Burmese to their own advantage. In effect, they are telling the international community to make a choice: save Suu Kyi, or save the rest of the country. Suu Kyi herself would not hesitate to recommend the latter, if it were a meaningful choice. But it is not, because eliminating her as a political force would bring no tangible benefit to anyone but the generals.

The Economist is probably not, like some, hell bent on discrediting Suu Kyi. But it does subscribe to certain views that make it susceptible to the arguments of those who are. One of its most cherished ideas is that economic development is a force for political good. And so it asks if “the courageous Lady” will admit that “[d]evelopment ... could be the fastest path to democracy.”

Never mind that the experiences of China and Vietnam, two countries mentioned as possible models for Burma, do not support this claim at all.



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Garrett Wrote:
13/08/2009
Kira Maa,

I am curious why you doubt that the SPDC would have flunkies who frequent pro-democracy websites in order to spread disinformation, and cynically ridicule the participants with the same over the top disregard for all that is right which is the trademark of the SPDC?

As I mentioned earlier, search Google with the search phrase "Nyeinc", and you will see many similarly repetitious comments at many Western news outlets. See if the rhetoric and writing style does not seem all too familiar.

Many of the SPDC flunkies began as corporate troubleshooters for companies like Total Oil, which had many fires to put out after paying the Burma army to supply laborers for the Yadana pipeline.

It turns out that the army commanders had supplied forced laborers, and then pocketed the money. Many workers were injured or died during the project, and Total ended up paying damages to their families.

The SPDC has plenty of corporate flunkies to handle public relations and disinformation.

pLan B Wrote:
13/08/2009
Ko Moe Aung,

Absolutely no baiting involved here, as Irrawaddy shall be my witness. Pure exchange of ideas.

Kira Maa Wrote:
13/08/2009
Yes, I guess I will have to eat my words, Plan B. I said I wouldn't read your posts, but I just couldn't help myself.

The last one here was a gem. You are assigning Moe Aung the task of coming up with 10 reasons for your "advocacy"? Why don't you come up with a few yourself?

I addressed Moe Aung in my last post because I doubted his apparent assumption that you were, indeed, a junta flunky, and hoped he would clarify his position. And he did.

Believe it or not, I read the Irrawaddy for information, not to push an agenda. As far as "solutions" go, I have no vested interests, and therefore am open to any ideas. But reading your posts was a dizzying experience, and left me thinking that that was your purpose: to keep everyone running around in circles.

If you are serious about presenting a "plan B", why don't you just write a commentary and submit it to the Irrawaddy? They seem receptive to different points of view. I, for one, would be happy to read it.

pLan B Wrote:
13/08/2009
KMA,

Labeling aside, over all not a very unfair description from your perspective.

Along the line of "business pimp" can you think of any other reasons why I advocate what I did? I entreat you to just list 10 that are not overlapping.

You are the first one that I know to be consulted by another, lesser opinionated person. An obvious honor indeed.

Therefore please respond to this one question. Would you please give us 10 other reasons that PlanB advocacy might entail besides benefiting business? I await your answer.

Moe Aung Wrote:
12/08/2009
Kira Maa,

"Do you seriously believe that 'plan B' is 'one of them'?"

Nah! Never thought he was, though as good as. On a somewhat higher level than Okkar and the rest in articulating his cherished appeasement line, even if pretty dull and humorless, not to mention repetitive.

Not sure if he's "deranged" but quite a delusional and obsessive business pimp, whereas Okkar almost certainly is an out-and-out junta stooge.

There's no shortage of appeasers among academics and researchers, both Burmese and foreign, also diplomats, US senators and congressmen representing business interests.

Given the ongoing brain-drain and rampant nepotism, I guess these guys on this forum broadly reflect the calibre of the footsoldiers the junta can muster, pretty much the same with the newsreaders on MRTV and the news articles in the New Light of Myanmar.

pLan B Wrote:
12/08/2009
Ko Tum Tun,

Have you revisited all your all your assumptions lately? Like these:

1)SPDC cannot do anything positive. Those who disagree with me are wrong.
2) DASSK cannot do anything wrong.
3) Western sanctions hurt SPDC more, so should be continued.

Just to be fair, use these beliefs of yours to see how they help with the ID-less in Pegu Yoma.

KKK Wrote:
11/08/2009
To Tom Tun:

PlanB is waiting for the opportunity in Burma. He is waiting for the political changes. There is nothing in his mind for the Burmese people. I have asked him about his plan before, but he did not answer my questions. He must be an opportunist who is waiting for his fortune.

planB Wrote:
11/08/2009
"Plan B said to protect the defenseless or weak."

Manufactured. My objective was "immediate reduction of suffering for the most vulnerable."

The issue of the IDless is your own: spell it out clearly first. Then may be I will help you in good faith solve your baited issue.

Relying on KMA's good leadership quality after shooting your mouth off? Your intention is clear enough from your last post. Don't be eating your own words now.

"One of them" as paranoid as the SPDC.
Does it really matter if I am one of them?
Advocating for the most vulnerable through engagement means one of them. You have serious problems with acknowledging the fallacies you are using as absolute truth.
Remember using a problem as a solution can mess you up.

At least KMA has a firm 3s. From someone who called other advocacy 'nothing of substance' you sure have a lot to show.

Kira Maa Wrote:
11/08/2009
Moe Aung,

Do you seriously believe that "plan B" is "one of them"? I tried to avoid jumping to that conclusion, preferring to give him the benefit of the doubt. I was inclined to think he was simply trying, without much success, to offer a different perspective. But the more of his comments I read (they're all over this site), the more I felt he was just trying to muddy the waters. That, at any rate, is my tentative conclusion for now.

What I wonder is this: If the regime wants to make its case, why doesn't it get someone to do it more effectively? As you said, his "inane verbosity" can be pretty hard to take. And I don't understand Okkar at all. What is he trying to achieve? He's certainly not convincing any rational people out there. I half suspect that he's merely deranged, and not an "agent" of the regime at all. The Internet is crawling with such people.

Tom Tun Wrote:
11/08/2009
Moe Aung, Garrett, Kira Maa,

Plan B said to protect the defenseless or weak. OK, I agree, but there are millions in Burma without proper identification. A lot of them are hiding in the Pegu Yoma, Shan Yoma and Dawna mountains near the Thai border. They are the most vulnerable ones. These people have no proper identification or protections. We should ask Plan B for his plan to serve and protect those people who don't even exist in the list of the government. What about street kids in the big cities of Burma? What is his plan?

Plan B, if you can clarify these question logically, I will follow your lead.

Moe Aung Wrote:
10/08/2009
Garrett,

"planB represents only the interests of the SPDC, corporations like Total Oil, and the Burmese businessmen who are willing to continue to turn their heads away from the regime atrocities."

And his dedication and persistence is like a true convert on a mission.

You have a point in his attempt at hogging it, trying this saturation tactic. I find that his weakness is in his inane verbosity and transparent defense of the junta at the same time attacking ASSK/NLD for the suffering of the 'hoi polloi' as he loves to call them, turning the whole thing on its head.

Where's the beef, as he would put it? Lifting the sanctions and relying on charity, particularly the charitable disposition of his generals. He wants a merry-go-round in the guise of progress.

pLan B Wrote:
10/08/2009
Kira Maa
"At any rate, ---- on every other page."

Thank you for your interest. Remember there are
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/irrawaddy.org
This many people reading your opinion.

"Don't bother writing a reply to this, as I have no intention of reading it. I would urge others to stop responding to plan B as well. Whatever his motives, he seems to thrive on unwarranted attention. "The Irrawaddy" appears to take its duties as a platform for free speech a little too seriously to pull the plug on him. So it's up to us to put an end to this."

George Soros ought to read this.

I am glad "The Irrawaddy" is taking Free Speech "a little too seriously" Either way, as long as you are putting your money where your mouth is, Tha thu, tha thu.

Kira Maa Wrote:
10/08/2009
Apologies, planB. It appears I lack your dedication. I'm afraid I don't spend my every waking hour reading and writing comments on the Irrawaddy. I must say, though, I'm impressed with your determination to dominate every discussion on this site.

At any rate, I read absolutely nothing of substance in either of your two replies to my last post. So I am confirmed in my suspicion that your sole purpose is to waste people's time. Anyone reading the most recent posts on this page, for instance, would conclude that it is not worth reading any further, because all they'll see is the same rubbish you've been pushing on every other page.

Don't bother writing a reply to this, as I have no intention of reading it. I would urge others to stop responding to plan B as well. Whatever his motives, he seems to thrive on unwarranted attention. The Irrawaddy appears to take its duties as a platform for free speech a little too seriously to pull the plug on him. So it's up to us to put an end to this.

plan B Wrote:
10/08/2009
Well, Kira Maa, looks like you do not agree with my objective. Then I do not see any reason to go on and define the problems addressed to you.

All those who really are interested in the objective: "Immediately reducing the suffering of the most vulnerable children women etc."

These are the valid major and minor problems presently making obtaining that objective near impossible.

Majors ones
1) SPDC 2)Western sanctions 3) Burma's inherently built in geographical/cultural disadvantages.4) DASSK 5)Outside interferences or lack of it to maintain the status quo.

Garrett Wrote:
10/08/2009
Like planB, the "Free DASSK" camp have only aided and abetted the SPDC in obscuring the truth of the myriad atrocities committed against the citizens of Burma.

The only viable option today is the same one advocated by Daw Suu twenty years ago, massive peaceful Gandhian pro-democracy marches, public disobedience, and work stoppages which would finally give the citizens something to bargain with.

Appeasement, apathy, and FEAR have to end.

The pipe dream that with the lifting of sanctions, the SPDC would allow more of the money coming into the country to find its way to "the most vulnerable" as planB suggests is nonsense.

This type of misinformation is opposite but equal to the pipe dream that freeing Daw Suu would somehow magically eliminate the SPDC and the corrupt military commanders.

planB represents only the interests of the SPDC, corporations like Total Oil, and the Burmese businessmen who are willing to continue to turn their heads away from the regime atrocities.

planb Wrote:
09/08/2009
Kira Maa

Nobody owns anything.

Constructive? Look harder.

Defensive posturing? You gave yourself too much credit.

I do not have to prove anything about what you failed to find explained many times.

Let me tell you how problems are solved.

1)Define objectives

2)Identify ALL problems that might hinder the objectives absolutely without prejudice.

3)Why, When, How this is a valid problem.

4)Solutions to the problems.

5)Cost of implementing these solutions.

My objective is: "Immediately reducing the suffering of the most vulnerable" well announced in my past post.

I will let you define the problems for this objective. If this is not your objective then you have to think hard about your advocacy.

Your hesitation about my intention said a lot about your motive. I welcome pointed questions but not ones that associating with any label that I need to prove myself. WORST such as junta flunky.

Are you one? Takes one to know.

Kira Maa Wrote:
09/08/2009
Plan B,

OK, what is your proposal? I see nothing constructive in your comments, just defensive posturing about how others are unfairly labeling you (which you invariably follow by mocking them as mindless Suu Kyi-lovers).

I gather from comments you've posted elsewhere on this site that you are somehow involved in hands-on relief work. Could you be more specific about that? And what specific policy changes (and by whom) do you propose? ("Work for the good of the hoi polloi" is not specific enough, I'm afraid.)

As for your right to be heard, no disagreement there. But you seem intent on "owning" these pages (which is why I hesitate to encourage further comment from you by asking questions). Please do us all a favor and make your next comment worthwhile.

Give us some details, leave out the incomprehensible attempts at rhetoric, and prove to us that you are not just a blowhard or junta flunky (unlike others here, I'm more inclined to believe you're the former).

Tom Tun Wrote:
09/08/2009
Plan B,

Tell me plan B, how successful was the Burmese economy before 1988? I was still in Burma and still in school in 1988. I did not see any sign of success. Government was extremely corrupted, bank notes or currency were canceled. Since that time, what policy has changed in reality? Army people going out from power and army people coming in, but people are still enslaving the weight of the tyrants of Burma. However you still think those tyrants are doing a good job.

Well plan b, do you still have Plan B? If you think you can approach the SPDC and change them from inside out, you are just dreaming. The SPDC already learned your book; what you know, you learned from them.

It is time for a new subject, which is learn how to speak the truth, do the right thing and love the rightousness. If you are not with the new subject yet, you are another lost cause and wasting of Irrawaddy 1000 words.

Garrett Wrote:
09/08/2009
Moe Aung,

In general, your comment is spot-on. However, the problem comes when the right of free speech is mi-used in order to obscure the truth with volumes of cynical rhetorical disinformation.

Another SPDC propagandist, "nyeinc" (Google nyeinc), has often inundated the comment sections of Western news outlets featuring stories on Burma with the same mindless apologist rhetoric as planB does here (maybe they were classmates at SPDC disinformation school-and maybe they are the same person).

The result is that the discussions of the articles end, and the volumes of propaganda remain years later to continue to perpetuate the disinformation to the unsuspecting readers who come to the articles later.

I have had several comments here which the moderators have felt were unnecessary to publish, and I think they should continue to use their own good judgment as to what is excessively rhetorical, redundant, and inflammatory. That is only good moderation, not censorship.

plan B Wrote:
09/08/2009
"Unless this one-trick pony can come up with something new to say, I would suggest the Irrawaddy stop giving him the time of day. Otherwise, you risk alienating everyone else out there who would like to express an opinion. Enough already."

"I love DASSK so much she is the only answer to the Burma problem."

Who is the one trick pony?

Freedom of speech is the motto of George Soros, the Open Society financier. Even for repugnant name callers like--you know who.
Truth hurts?

Now ask yourself, am I telling the truth or are you hurt because the truth I have given with so many proofs is your lies.

Grow up. Stop getting personal. Advocate ideas that will help the citizenry. Or just put your money where your mouth is.

Moe Aung Wrote:
08/08/2009
Garrett,

We needn't worry too much about the 'Junta Apologists R Us' on this forum. As I've said before, it's a no brainer to see right through these no-brainers as soon as they open their mouth.

Let them enjoy the freedom of speech their masters have denied the rest of us in Burma and put in their tuppence worth. Their bootlicking days are numbered.

Kira Maa,

"Unless this one-trick pony can come up with something new to say"

Absolutely. And this from the guy who exhorts us to stop the 'SOS' (same old stuff) pointing out the ongoing crimes of his generals. His school report probably says 'Could do better'.


plan B,

"responsibilities of being a 'heavy hitter' are upon www.irrawaddy.org.

Choices of editorials, commentaries and opinion must also reflect that 800 lbs status."

Trust you to dictate what The Irrawaddy 'must' do. You're lucky to have a say at all, mate. Don't push it.

Kira Maa Wrote:
08/08/2009
I agree with Garrett. This "planB" person (or "Okkar Lite", as I prefer to call him) has been absolutely relentless. Where does he find the time to deluge the Irrawaddy with his incoherent prattle? He's written hundreds of comments, but his message is always the same: Blame the West, blame the UN, blame DASSK, blame the exiles, blame Sean Turnell, blame ANYBODY, but DON'T blame the SPDC for the mess Burma is in.

Unless this one-trick pony can come up with something new to say, I would suggest the Irrawaddy stop giving him the time of day. Otherwise, you risk alienating everyone else out there who would like to express an opinion. Enough already.

Garrett Wrote:
08/08/2009
An open letter to Irrawaddy:

Please don't allow oppressive regime propagandists to take over the comments of every article with pro-regime, anti-freedom, anti-democracy rhetoric.

Your news items bear witness to the truth of the regime agenda, so allowing their hired mouthpieces to inundate The Irrawaddy with their rhetoric seems contradictory to freedom and democracy, since the regime has their own news/propaganda organization for spreading their manure.

It is doubtful they are giving the concepts of pro-freedom and pro-democracy equal opportunity.

If you are going to give the regime propagandists the keys to the front door you might as well be on the regime payroll like planB/nyeinc.

Rhetoric in favor of the continuance of the reign of terror, which ignores the ethnic/religious/political persecution, and makes excuses for regime rape, murder, extortion, corruption, forced labor, and forced national poverty while blaming it on everyone else in the world is obscenity.

plan B Wrote:
08/08/2009
An opened letter to Irrawaddy:

By most indicators, you have become the most read site for info on Burma. Congratulations.

For obvious reasons you have made yourself more relevant than those other sites that tout themselves as offering a fair and balanced view of Burma.

As such, the responsibilities of being a "heavy hitter" are upon www.irrawaddy.org.

Choices of editorials, commentaries and opinion must also reflect that 800 lbs status.

Printing all responses after correcting correcting grammatical error and deleting vulgarity is a must. However editing post as well as not printing post that commit no such violations above will constitute censorship and will eventually reduce www.irrawaddy.org to a lesser status by default.

Tom Pengelly Wrote:
07/08/2009
Salai Bak,

I agree with you on Western governments--I am ashamed of my government, esp. with Gordon Brown's messages, which to me, sounds like a hollow attempt at being noble (he's not popular at home!). I fear though that any "carrots"/incentives we Westerners offer would be purely for corporate interests, not for Burma.

If you could clarify for me though, I have read that DASSK is quoted saying she wants negotiation and dialogue, not confrontation. And also that she's admitted to making mistakes. Are you referring to the history of her actions? I see your point however about criticism, and how it could backfire. Are there ways around this? Or is the junta too unpredictable to attempt such a measure?

Sarah Fairclough, I sympathize with what you're saying. I attach this article though, demonstrating how there is little political will in the West for economic justice: http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/panafrican/58283

plan B Wrote:
07/08/2009
"The Economist is probably not, like some, hell bent on discrediting Suu Kyi. But it does subscribe to certain views that make it susceptible to the arguments of those who are. One of its most cherished ideas is that economic development is a force for political good. And so it asks if “the courageous Lady” will admit that “[d]evelopment ... could be the fastest path to democracy.”

Never mind that the experiences of China and Vietnam, two countries mentioned as possible models for Burma, do not support this claim at all."

Vietnamese tourist are visiting Burma in droves and Chinese hold the largest foreign reserve. Which facts does this author find objectionable?

plan B Wrote:
07/08/2009
"The first point that needs to be made is that Suu Kyi does not dictate the Burma policy of Western countries. Although the issue of sanctions is often linked to her fate, that does not mean she is the main impetus behind the policy."

http://www.burmalibrary.org/reg.burma/archives/199610/msg00023.html

"It is also a distortion of the facts to suggest that sanctions are the cause of Burma’s endemic poverty. A total absence of accountable governance—not a lack of international aid or investment—is the real reason this resource-rich nation can barely support its own population."

Ever visited northern Burma such as Mandalay?

Even the one-sided trade with the Chinese if unintended is producing a boom in economic activities.

"It would not alter the fact that, even post-Nargis, the regime does more to obstruct aid than facilitate it."

Proof please. Hint: Who rebuilt the road from Yangon to Pathein day and night?

planB Wrote:
07/08/2009
DASSK

1) The person: a lady indeed, unjustly persecuted for her believe and advocacy.

2) The politician: advocate of democracy, won '88 election as NLD rep. Failed to enlist military support. Followed by numerous well known missteps/mistakes that were not printed for obvious reasons, nullified by SLORC, publicly enlisted the West to help by sanctioning, creating long-lasting animosity with SPDC to this day, still being prosecuted.

3) The "Only answer to Burma's problem: A symbol created by exiles, celebrities, absolutely self-serving organizations perpetuated by bleeding hearts who confuse her suffering and integrity and her lady-like quality (very Burmese)for her true ambition.

4) The true ambition: I will not speculate beyond saying" Res Ipsa Loquitur"

Tom Tun Wrote:
06/08/2009
Salai Biak,

You comment that DASSK spent most of her life outside of Burma and that is why she doesn't know Burmese politic. I have a question for you, what is Burmese politics? For me personally, I am quite happy she did not learn Burmese way of politics, which is corrupted and most politicians are extremely hungry for power to abuse it instead of doing good for the country. A lot of people are making unfair judgment of her. Did the tyrants of Burma give her a chance to administer the country? How can we tell some of her own NLD members are not the product of Ne Win generation and his corrupted systems. A lot of NLD members did not even know they should study hard the successful countries' policies and if needed apply to Burma. I know you are a Chin ethnic by your name. Do you even have the same beliefs as Burmese people about Burma freedom? Give her a chance first and if she fails, I will be the first she has to deal with.

Moe Aung Wrote:
06/08/2009
Kyi May Kaung,

"It's the junta who made Burma what it is, and is holding up progress, nothing else."

Couldn't agree more, but according to plan B it's the sanctions that made the SPDC what it is. It's his wonderful circular logic that lamely tries to get his generals off the hook and put the noose around ASSK's neck, shared by quite a few 'educated middle class' Burmese.

Sarah Fairclough,

"Without sanctions, at least there could be some attempts to get at the regime's underlying economic policies, lessen Chinese influence, and try a different set of political tactics."

Will such attempts make any dent on the generals' resolve in the domination of Burmese economic and political life by the military even in the long run, provided there is a long run? Chinese influence bothers Westerners more than the rest of us. Remember Deng's maxim about the color of the cat. The siren calls for lifting the sanctions will be music to the generals' ears.

George Than Setkyar Heine Wrote:
05/08/2009
Tocharian,

Yes, but Thant Myint U is the son of Dr. Tin Myint U and U Thant's daughter Aye Aye Than.
Tin Myint U held a high post in UN Secretariat in Bangkok, Thailand in 1988.
He hung on to his high-paying post at the UN and retired later.

He was given a leading role in the pro-democracy movement of Burma by the exiled students and dissidents in 1988.
He blew the chance in favor of his high-paying job instead.

Thus, he forfeited his place in history and today he is heading for his grave as only a retired UN official while Daw Suu is making history.

The difference between Daw Suu and him is Daw Suu is selflessly sacrificing her life and family for Burma while Tin Myint U held onto to his own as only a devoted international public servant.

U Thant did his best and played his part well and he has earned a place in our country's history while earning the envy and enmity of Ne Win and his lot.

Tin Myint U and his son lacked U Thant's blood and guts as evidenced today.

Salai Biak Wrote:
05/08/2009
Tom Pengelly,

Thanks for your concern on our country that you want to see a free Burma. I hope it'll come soon if we are really sincere!

What I proposed is aiming sanctions be lifted instead of threatening all the time. Any kind of confrontation towards the junta won't work. US & your country, the UK, do not really want to work to free Burma. Moral concern is dangerous. UK is the main obstacle in EU approach that you have to accept. I'm fed up with the Western governments.

I think you don't understand the stance of Daw Suu. All Burmese people love her for her courage and concern. But she doesn't seem to understand Burmese society. Most of her life was spent in the West. Why doesn't she want to listen to her advisers? If she had not taken a confrontational policy, Than Shwe could have been convinced. I suggest you study why NLD members are not happy about her attitude. Not only NLD, but also exile groups have just been reluctant to criticize her! The reason? The junta'd be happy if they do. All our situation depends on her.

KKK Wrote:
05/08/2009
Kira Maa,

I totally agree with your points. The Irrawaddy is fair. Okkar should appreciate getting his comments posted. You know he is one of the generals' thugs. His mentality is the same as his generals and he will never change. Don't pay attention to his comments.

LuuSoeLay Wrote:
05/08/2009
Every country's leaders are corrupt; it is only a matter of less or more, smart or dumb. Comparing Burma and China, Chinese leaders are smart, educated and well demonstrated in economic policy even though they are hardliners. For Burmese leaders, I would suggest they all go back and finish high school.

My point is, who is ready to lead and has clear agendas for future Burma and people of Burma? I don't mind having a good military leader and leading the country. Any one maybe better than current one.

Tom Tun Wrote:
05/08/2009
So many people in Burma want to put out Aung San Suu Kyi from political role. I write this comment only to clarify the rights of a citizen and true meaning of government.

Thomas Jefferson (US father of the Declaration of Independence) once wrote, "Kings are the servants, not the proprietors of the people...The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest. Only aim to do your duty, and mankind will give you credit where you fail. The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them".

I also believe that governments are the servants of their citizens. Citizens are not the property of the government. While Burma was a colonial state under the British, there is no chance for Burmese people to hold highest level administration job and we said it was unjust. Now we are free, yet an honest citizen cannot serve the country because the citizen married a citizen from a different country. We don't like colonial rule, but are we doing like them.

Sarah Fairclough Wrote:
05/08/2009
In the actually Economist piece, all Thant Myint-U says is that more attention needs to be given to ending the armed conflict and finding inter-ethnic reconciliation, and to finding a way to end the poverty of the Burmese people who are suffering every day. He says the Burmese regime doesn't enjoy the same legitimacy of either China or Vietnam, and that like the Suharto regime is more likely to crumble with economic change. I agree with all this. Without sanctions, at least there could be some attempts to get at the regime's underlying economic policies, lessen Chinese influence, and try a different set of political tactics. It's not about 'laying off the lady' - no one should be above criticism - it's about URGENTLY finding something that will work.

Kyaw Wrote:
04/08/2009
Alas, I expect nothing from the empty heads of former brutal colonizers of Burma: the British colonial forces responsible for racism and illegal killings of millions of Indians, Chinese, Burmese, Africans, even innocent Iraqis and Afghans today. We must realize, with some help from facts and history that it was the British invasion of Burma in 1885 that wiped out Burma from the good governance of the Konbaung dynasty's monarchy, and installed this unfortunate little nation with idiot dictators like Ne Win and others.

Down with colonialist mentality of rich nations. Long live Burma and Aung San Suu Kyi for we will love and empower her till we die!

Kyi May Kaung Wrote:
04/08/2009
Aung San Suu Kyi is another victim of the junta and the anti-sanctions and therefore pro-junta (who else will benefit most from lifted sanctions?) lobby mentioned in this article.

Yettaw is also another victim of circumstances. So are all the political prisoners and all the people of Burma.

To blame them is like blaming the birds and trees and everything else blown away by the storm, for the storm itself.

It's the junta who made Burma what it is, and is holding up progress, nothing else.

TT Wrote:
04/08/2009
I totally agree with Timothy and Tom Tun.

If someone can't see that the cause of poverty in Burma is the incompetent, isolated, power- craving junta, that person should seek psychiatric consultation.

lianpi Wrote:
04/08/2009
For Burma's problems to be solved, Suu Kyi should be kicked out of Burma by force (since she doesn't want to leave voluntarily). For me she is a big obstacle. I agree with the Economist.

Nat Ka Lay Wrote:
03/08/2009
To Thant Myint-U,

Students who died for your grandfather's burial ground were not stupid ones. They died for freedom, fairness and human values. Other students' lives were ruined too. Daw Suu is sacrificing for the same. I was shocked to come to know your stance and ignorance.

Tom Pengelly Wrote:
03/08/2009
Maung Hla,

The NLD also calls for sanctions. And at the end of the day, it is one of the only things they can do against the dictators that doesn't involve violence. Apart from conform.

Salai Biak,

Even if there weren't sanctions, would the junta distribute the money?

I appreciate both sides of the argument, and I don't want sanctions or anything. I want a free Burma. But what other ways are there, short of going up to Than Shwe with a gun and pulling the trigger? And we're also assuming the "trickle down" theory in capitalism works, which it doesn't.

From the outside, there needs to be discussion (and action) as to the role of the military in society (considering how many times since 1900 the military turned dictator/attempted to), and to the UN Security Council. Why do 5 sets of men (including from my country, UK) get a voice and no one else about world order?

From the inside... ASSK is doing what she feels is right. What would you do in her place? Someone genuinely cares at least!

MgMyanmar Wrote:
03/08/2009
Sanctions are imposed by the international community to push SLORC/SPDC to dialogue. The main idea of sanction or constructive engagement is to
• Why can't they talk if they want Burma to be a developed country?
• Why these generals let other countries exploit our limited natural resources?

Kira Maa Wrote:
03/08/2009
Okkar is complaining on the Irrawaddy website about being censored by the Irrawaddy. But if you were being censored by the Irrawaddy, they wouldn't be providing you with a platform to accuse them of censorship, would they? So where's the logic, Okkar? My guess is that you bombard the Irrawaddy with a lot of annoying rubbish and they are doing their readers a favor by trashing most of it. Judging from your comments that do get through, your sole purpose is to discourage others from joining any debate by degrading the discussion with a lot of hypocritical whining about how much harm the opposition has done to Burma. You seem to like pushing the 'A is just as bad as B' line. But how many letters to the New Light of Myanmar do you see complaining about censorship? None, of course. So there is no valid comparison with the Irrawaddy. And if the NLD is just as evil as the SPDC, why do you attack them but not the SPDC? Because they don't pay as well?

Free Man Wrote:
03/08/2009
Only a people's revolution or nationwide civil disobedience will bring about democracy and freedom that we want. If my memory doesn't fail me, I think Noam Chomsky intimated once here on the Irrawaddy that only revolution will bring about a democratic change (or something along the same line). Another international figure also once pointed out that we can't expect him to come and fight for us but ourselves. We don't seem to have any other alternatives.


Salai Hmung Wrote:
03/08/2009
There's no doubt that ASSK still holds moral authority and is an icon for Burmese democracy movements.

That's why what she said and wrote have become sorts of guidelines and principles for Burmese democracy movements. Thus, linking her with what she said and the policy attached to it is a fair comment, because she is an icon and holds the moral authority of Burmese people and its democracy movements.

As a matter of fact, she did say and called for the international community to impose sanctions on Burma until it regains democracy.

Also, though she doesn't influence decisions made in foreign capitals, it's too obvious that decision makers in those countries seriously take what ASSK said into their considerations when they have to make decisions on Burma.

Thus, we can say that there's a lot of truths in what The Economist wrote.

However, as mentioned above, ASSK is not an obstacle for Burma to regain democracy.

Nonetheless, I do believe that sanctions didn't work on Burma.

Soe Kyaw Thu Wrote:
03/08/2009
Yup, The Irrawaddy used to censor my comments too. Why? De pote htel ka de pel... [Ed: they're all the same]

Also, The Irrawaddy news headings and some topics are leaning like Hollywood Papparazi news, not suitable for unity for revolution in Burma against the dictators.

I don't know why these comments get censored or not. But, I get used to it.

Tom Tun Wrote:
03/08/2009
Let's speak plainly and openly. I am a truly free man; at least I believe it myself and previous comments I made in The Irrawaddy page will prove it otherwise.

The people who want to draw in the investment without fixing the corrupt system have only one purpose, which is to corrupt for their advantage.

Let me give another example: before Burmese people knew Aung San Suu Kyi, how successful was the Burmese economy? There were no sanctions at that time.

Canceling bank notes, cash flow was not there; the majority of businesses were running like money laundry style or cash businesses. So-called country leaders were stealing the country’s wealth and hiding away outside Burma. Our freedom was rotten and smelly by controlling of so many small and big tyrants.

That U Thant's son dared to write this kind of article. Shame on you Thant Myint U. Speak sense to yourself. Put the country and people first, not your stunt.

timothy Wrote:
03/08/2009
Whoever says and believes that Daw Suu is an obstacle to democracy in Burma, here is the answer: Daw Suu is the democracy icon of Burma and the world and comparable only to Gandhi and Nelson Mandela.

She attains the saint status for being so tolerant to violence and following the peaceful means for democracy. Born in Burma, bred by her intelligent mother, being a Buddhist, educated and lived in Western democracies and not the least, she was married to Oxford-educated caring husband.

These are the qualities combined with Buddhist philosophy and democratic ideologies. We find it not difficult to see why Daw Suu is so revered by global people right across different social classes. The junta is hopelessly opposite of all the qualities I describe here for Daw Suu. The poverty of Burmese people is not because of sanctions. It is solely due to the incompetent, corrupted and power-hungry junta.

Saya San Wrote:
02/08/2009
Excellent! But I take exception with 1 point. You wrote:
"If there is anything to be learned from Indonesia … repression breeds violence, and that only a viable alternative to iron-fisted rule can halt the downward spiral that accompanies the inevitable downfall of a despised dictatorship. Burma’s … rulers lack the foresight to let this happen."

You assume the Junta is against "breeding violence" and desires "a more stable political system". I disagree. A destabilized Burma plays perfectly into the hands of the Tatmadaw. It justifies their very existence. No violence and no 'terrorists' means no need for the Tatmadaw.

Currently, as it concerns the generals (and lackeys):
- China provides needed investment and a UN veto
- China, Ukraine, NK & Russia provide arms & training
- Thailand provides cold hard cash
- Singapore provides bank accounts & medical care

I think the Generals like their kleptocracy just fine.
Prediction: the Lady gets 6 more years on August 18 or 27, or September 9


Nat Ka Lay Wrote:
02/08/2009
Has Thant Mying U set a foot in Burma?

okkar Wrote:
02/08/2009
It is typical of The Irrawaddy to censor any comments that are not conducive to their mud-slinging stance and any that expose their bias.

Despite the rhetorics and slogans, they are no different to The New Light of Myanmar... so much for a publication supporting "Democracy" and "Freedom of Expression".

Judging from this sort of censorship, one cannot help but come to the conclusion that not only is The Irrawaddy contradicting their stand for "Freedom" and "Democracy", but it also shows that they do not actually support any democractic values.

Salai Biak Wrote:
02/08/2009
After twenty years of intangible results from the pro-democracy movement both inside and outside of Burma, two contrasting views have emerged. One is those groups what want to see the continuing the Western isolation and sanctions on Burma.

The Irrawaddy belongs to this group. The other is those groups, or the so-called “third force” against the former approach. In addition, a growing international think thanks and academicians, all Asean member states and even EU member states such as Denmark and Norway hold the view that sanctions do not work as diametrically opposed to activist and Burma’s campaign groups.

There is not much to argue whether sanctions work and not as the history has shown the opposite. One has to accept, even if painfully, that sanctions have pushed Burmese people into deep poverty, and might continue as US and EU renewed sanctions. Some rightly argue that the more you isolate Burma, the more prostitutes you get due to trade sanctions. Will The Irrawaddy admit as such?

tocharian Wrote:
02/08/2009
George T. Setkyar,

FYI: Thant Myint-U is the GRANDSON of U Thant who was the UN General Secretary in the 60's.

By the way, Irrawaddy censored my previous comment. That's OK. I am used to that from Burmese!

George Than Setkyar Heines Wrote:
02/08/2009
To hell with what The Economist, that warp-brained son of a UN official born in Burma and others for tying Daw Suu with sanctions and Burma's woes.

Citizens' wealth or poverty depends on who rules the country. Today Than Shwe rules Burma and the people are paupers. The country was once the richest in Southeast Asia before military rule.

Daw Suu was never given a chance to work for the country, much less prove her credibility, specifically in the economic field. She spent two thirds of her time in Burma under house arrest or prison until today.

Than Shwe and his goons pocketed the country's enormous wealth. Hence, the people are poor.

Thant Myint U and his ilk are just plain stupid for failing to see the obvious, lacking in common sense and basic knowledge of Burma's politics as well.

He and his dad would not even live in the US if Daw Suu held the helm of Burma, I bet.
Maybe his dad could be President, even though he blew his chance to lead Burma's freedom and democracy struggle in 1988.

Natkalay Wrote:
02/08/2009
It is not deniable that Daw Su has a mandate from the people of Burma and belongs to them. Someone is blind if he or she mentions her as an ordinary layperson. By the duty given to her, she is responsible to find ways for Burmese in their quest of freedom, justice, and equality in Burma. Sanctioning is one of the reactions civilized countries usually use in responding to brutal governments. For businessmen, fair and sound justice is fundamental in considering investment.

Forget communism or socialism. See China and Vietnam.

As long as a variation of laws is exercised there, no investor will come into Burma. Do you think that people with money bags will walk past the bandits who are raising guns and swords into the air and shouting rubbish? Hypocrites and the lawless will swallow it. Investors know.

Garrett Wrote:
02/08/2009
Great editorial!

I am amazed that many regard Burma as they would a free country, which seems to be the myopic viewpoint of The Economist, et al.
They only see Burma as a lucrative investment, if it were not for sanctions getting in the way.

They show their ignorance by blaming Burma's problems on Daw Suu, even though she has been held incommunicado for most of the twenty years since she was deposed.

Even the lack of initiative shown by the NLD is blamed on her, though she has had very little input into their activities.
It is not Daw Suu's fault that the so-called Burma activists have concentrated their efforts on the Free Daw Suu agenda for so long, thoughtlessly aiding and abetting the SPDC by keeping regime misdeeds from being properly recognized by the world.

To be anti-slavery, anti-political/religious/ethnic persecution, anti-forced labor, anti-rampant disease, anti-corruption, pro-democracy and pro-freedom in Burma means to be labeled anti-government.

Free Burma!

Eric Johnston Wrote:
02/08/2009
The article is "spot on".

Perhaps a periodical named 'The Economist' is predestined to fall into the trap of believing that freeing international commerce automatically brings democracy. It would be unthinkable to them that it might strengthen dictatorship.

Each case needs to be studied in detail with regard to the particular circumstances and the precise nature of the regime one is dealing with. Into whose pockets goes the created wealth? What do they use it for?

Stalin believed that by giving Hitler all the material resources he requested Nazi Germany would have no cause to invade the Soviet Union. It was an error of judgment that cost the Soviet peoples millions of lives.

Moe Aung Wrote:
02/08/2009
Oxonian: "If the Brits can feel guilt free to come and do business in Burma than at least they can be more responsible for the Burmese."

Sadly it's not about the Brits having a social conscience vis-a-vis the Chinese (though not everyone would buy this), but it's about the generals not having one.

tocharian Wrote:
02/08/2009
The reason the junta is "flirting" with North Korea is because, deep inside all real Burmese, even many members of the junta, know that the Chinese are very selfish, ethnocentric and greedy. For obvious reasons, the regime was forced into becoming a "protectorate" of China. (I bet the N Korean ship headed for Burma had to turn back because the Chinese told them to).

The US is very hypocritical when it comes to China because of trade and T-Bills. They just had a "G2" conference with China (whose human rights record over the last 50 years is certainly not better than Burma).

One last short comment about the "third force": I just read the new book "The State in Myanmar" by Robert Taylor. Thant Myint-U's remarks are pretty "amateurish," compared to the views of Taylor and of historians like Michael Aung-Thwin.

Kyaw Wrote:
02/08/2009
For sure, Burma is better than China and Vietnam, the countries who have been locked up under Communism, untouchable communist top brass. Burmese are already talking about democracy. Even it might be partial democracy, it is starting. Chinese and Vietnamese have no way to dream about such democracy, the only better off is they may have some more money, that's all.

Yes, DASSK is not responsible for the failure or success of the Burmese economy as she has never been allowed to be involved in such business. She is just a prisoner, locked up behind bars and chained for two decades. How could she be blamed. Shame on the Economist.






Maung Hla Wrote:
02/08/2009
Unsung Sushi concludes (below) by saying - "But make no mistake, Suu Kyi and those who support her will prevail in the end."

That's easy to say when you're living comfortably abroad. But for millions of Burmese who have barely enough to eat, that's not enough. They need some improvement today, not tomorrow, or next year or "in the end". The main sanction is the cut-off of aid, aid that would go to the poorest people in the country. I agree with Thant Myint-U and the humanitarian community who've been calling for a greater focus on the plight of the poorest people. It's amazing that to be anti-government (I hate the SPDC government)you have to toe the line and agree with sanctions or be worried that you might be labeled an apologist or worse. I like ASSK, but to think, as this editorial does, that she doesn't dictate Western policy is just wrong. If she called for an end to sanctions, it would happen.

MyoChitThuNYC Wrote:
02/08/2009
It is clear that Oxonian is an agent of the Junta. He probably works for the Censorship Committee under (Dis)Information Minister BriGen Kyaw San.

Unsung Sushi Wrote:
02/08/2009
A remarkable piece of work, this. It is indeed odd that as the Lady faces five years in prison on the most ludicrously trumped-up charges imaginable, the Economist is calling on her to have the courage to abandon her convictions.

The Irrawaddy should be commended for challenging the smug assumptions of those who believe they know what's best for Burma simply because they've never had to struggle to uphold their principles. It's easy to tell others they're fundamentally wrong about everything they believe simply because they don't seem to be succeeding at the moment. But make no mistake, Suu Kyi and those who support her will prevail in the end.

a western boe man Wrote:
01/08/2009
Dear Oxonian,

Sometimes even if people go to school they just don’t get it! Sanctions are set from other countries and not set in place by Daw Suu Kyi. The reason for the sanctions comes from the government's behavior and lack of respect for the international laws (including those on human rights).

The government is responsible for its people (not foreign companies) and must make sure that the natural resources of a country are used to benefit the people and the country's economy and not to fill their bank accounts.
Even if Daw Suu Kyi did not exist, would you invest in a country where your investments are not protected by any law or where you have no rights at all and can get put in prison for pissing on the wrong stone?

Sorry, but all the classes you took didn’t help much!

PhoeWunna Wrote:
01/08/2009
Kudos to this editorial.

Oxonian Wrote:
01/08/2009
Again, another flawed editorial with cheap attacks at any international media that do not conform to those anti-government entities.

Burma is truly a resource rich country and there are people who would like to exploit such resources, that's only human nature. But it is true that DASSK hinders economic development. Let's take an example. If the junta wants one of the gas fields to be developed or exploited who will be the likely suitors? The Chinese and other neighbours whose dictionaries may lack the term "CSR Corporate Social Responsibility". If the Brits can feel guilt free to come and do business in Burma than at least they can be more responsible for the Burmese.

Sometimes it is distressful to see how uncreative these anti-government entities are. Go to school and attend some classes on lateral thinking and creativity, that will help.




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